Pyaree Sat Sangat Je:
WahegurujekakhalsaWahegurujekefateh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dear Bibi Anad Kaur Je, and others interested in this meat debate.
Anad
Kaur you are correct in saying that quotes and references are required
to prove that Maharaj Guru Granth Sahib Je, does infact state that meat
eating is wrong. Before giving these details lets look at common sense,
and what Dharam actually involves.
In all ways of
God-realization, there is a way. In Taoism this is called Tao, in Sikhi
the hukam, in Christianity the will, and so on. In order to realize,
one must follow this path. This path is difficult, as the path is
narrow and sharp, and fine. As stated in Anand Sahib.
The
truth is sublime, and what is correct in one situation is opposite in
another, that is why the higher realization you gain, leads you to
react differently to a given situation. For example, a lie is a lie,
but to lie to save a life, it is like the truth. Thus in extreme
circumstance for the survival of the Guru Khals Panth, it may have been
necessary, to eat meat.
To follow the truth, to know what is
real, to gain the vision, the experience, one must therefore have love
and compassion. It is out of compassion and love, that the path is
initiated from. Love for everything, even your enemies th creation,
good and bad, as they are all a part of Guru Je. The Panj Pyarey gave
their heads out of love.
"If you wish the to play the game of love, come humbly with your head in your palms." Jo tou prem kelan......
Hence if you wish to have love submit to the will, the way. As mentioned in Jap ji sahib, it is best to submit to his will.
It
is from this Daya, that the Earth is supported (not the mythical bull),
and that Dharam is created, and from this Santokh ( contentment and
peace are obtained).
"Daul Dharam Daya Ka putth......"
This is also a key basic in most religions, righteousness, love, and contentment. In Zen buddhism is is know as :
Zhen-Shan-Ren (jhun-shahn-ren)?Zhen (truth, truthfulness); Shan (compassion,
benevolence, kindness); Ren (forbearance, tolerance, endurance).
To
follow Dharam to gain contentment (santokh) by following his hukam,
through unlimited compassion, tolerance, and forgiveness ( from daya).
Therefore
to inflict pain on an animal, known as a na-dos(h) jeev in Guru Granth
sahib is incorrect. Also the references to karam, what you sow is what
you reap, is part and parcel of Guru Je`s message. There is also
references to the churasse lakh joona, in Guru Maharaj.
"karme appo apney key neyrey keh do-rr", in salok of Jap ji sahib.
kyqy ruK ibrK hm cIny kyqy psU aupwey ] (156-11, gauVI cyqI, mhlw 1)
I took the form of so many plants and trees, and so many animals.
kyqy nwg kulI mih Awey kyqy pMK aufwey ]2] (156-11, gauVI cyqI, mhlw 1)
Many times I entered the families of snakes and flying birds. ||2||
lK caurwsIh Brmdy mnhiT AwvY jwie ] (162-13, gauVI bYrwgix, mhlw 3)
Through 8.4 million incarnations, people wander lost; in stubborn-mindedness, they come and go.
gur kw sbdu n cIinE iPir iPir jonI pwie ]2] (162-14, gauVI bYrwgix, mhlw 3)
They do not realize the Word of the Guru`s Shabad; they are reincarnated over and over again. ||2||
WHAT MAHARAJ SAYS:
QUOTES FROM BANI AGAINST MEAT EATING/KILLING TO EAT:
Lets first look at Bhai Gurdas Je`s vara (The key to Guru-Maharaj).
Bhagat Sadhana was a butcher, obviously killing animals for the meat. A few of his shabads are in Guru Granth Sahib Je.
Bhai Gurdas says the following:
Though the butcher (Bhagat Sadhana) got salvation, killing life-forms and to eat them is a bad deed.
Je kasaaee udhriaa, jeeaa ghaai na khaaeeai bhangaa.
Also
there is a parable of ingratitude, where a sweeping laday, cooks dogs
meat in wine, puts it into the stinking skull, covers it with a dirty
blood stained rag. When asked what she is carrying she replies, I cover
my food so it cannot be seen by ungrateful glances.
The meaning
being that bad things, eg meat wine ,are indeed bad and shameful, but
an ungrateful glance to those that eat them is worse.
Taken From Bhai Gurdas Je`s Vaara .. Dr Gobind Singh Mansukani and Macauliffe, " The sikh religion".
Gurbani tells us what to eat:
Kabir khoob khana khecharee ja mehh anmrit lohn
haara roti karnay galaa katava kauun (ang 374 Guru granth Sahib je)
Kabir eat as much rice and pulses, with salt is tasteful
What is the use of cutting throats to satisfy your hunger? You will be beheaded as punishment.
Do not give pain to animals:
dookh na daee kisaay jeaa patt sioo ghar jaavhoo (322 ang GGSJ)
Kabir Bhang masahalee supapaan jo jo pranne kaahhe
teraath barat naaym koiie tay sabhhey rasatul jaheh (1377 ang GGSJ)
Kabir those that take hemp, fish and takes liquor
will go to hell and pilgrimage and fast are of no use.
Bhai Gurdas je:
maas khaan gal vaddkey hal tinaara kaaun hovssee
Vaar 25.
Those who kill living beings and eat meat, what punishment will they suffer, do they realise?
Japi sahib :
asankh malechh mall pakk kii-y
inumberable malechh eat filth??
The word malechh is a used by strict brahmins, and sadhus, as to those that consume wine, meat.
Also :
Beyd purreyeh mukh meete bani.
jeaa kuhat na sangiyeh parani.
You read the bayds scriptures so sweetly.
Arent you ashamed about slaughtering the creatures oh man?
From Manmohan Singhs -Rehat Maryada points of contention .
The word kuttha....
Paap Karendar Sarpar Muthey.
Ajraeel Pharrey Phar KUTHHEY. (pg. 1019)
The sinner will certainly be ruined or destroyed.
The angel of death will seize and kill them.
(Here the word "kuthhey" means simply killing, not killing by Halaal)
Bed Parhey Mukh Mitthee Baani
Jeeaan KUHAT Na Sangey Paraanee. (pg. 201)
He (Pandit) recites the Vedas very sweetly, but he does not hesitate to kill life.
Abhakhya Ka KUIHHA Bakra Khanaa
Choukay Upar Kisey Na Jaanaa. (pg. 472)
They
eat the meat obtained while uttering the unspeakable word (referring to
Qalima of the Muslims which the Hindus considered as unspeakable) and
allow none to enter
their kitchen square
This to a brahmam or
hindu, who does not kill in the halal fashion, thus the word kuttha
does not necessarily mean halal, as some sikhs like to believe. It
means to slaughter with an instrument.(bayd parraei mukh meeta bani
jeeha kuhat na sangeyeh prani ). There is no way to kill humanely.
Also
if sikhs say Jhatka is a way to kill, in a painless fashion, this
argument has no truth in it. The word jhatka, is not in Dasam Gur, or
Guru Granth Sahib je. Also certain shabads in Guru granth sahib condemn
the fact that scriptures are repeated while performing slaughter, this
is what they do while performing Jhatka. So, in reality there is little
difference between this and halal, as it is sacrificial, and almost
paganism.
Taken from "Rehat Marayada Points of contention" by Manmohan Singh Je.:
Baba Hore Khanna Khushi Khuaar
Jit Khaadey Tan Peeriay, Man Meh Chaleh Vikaar. (pg. 196)
0 Baba! All other foods (except the Naam)
create trouble in the body and fill the mind with evil.
This
tukhh that bani says, naam is our food, love for guru jes name, foods
for mind and body create trouble. Therefore eat little and simply, and
sleep less. Where does a pork chop or burger fit into this equation?
Mohsin
Fani (1615-70), the well known historian and a contemporary of Sri Guru
Hargobind Sahib, writes in his work DABISTAN-E-MAZAHIB as follows:
"Having prohibited his disciples to drink wine and eat pork, he (Nanak) himself
abstained
from eating flesh and ordered not to hurt any living being. After him
this precept was neglected by his followers; but Arjun Mal, one of the
substitutes of his Faith, renewed the prohibition to eat flesh and
said: This has not been approved by Nanak."
Sri Guru Granth Sahib prohibits eating of animal flesh in clearcut and unambiguous language in anumber of places:
Jee Badhoh So Dharam Kar ThaapohAdharam Kaho Kat Bhai.
Aapas Ko Munwar Kar Thaapoh, Kaa Ko Kaho Kasaaee. (pg. 1103)
You kill animals and call it religion (Rahit); then what indeed is irreligion (Kurahit)?
Even then you consider yourself as a sage of sages; then whom to call a butcher?
Bed Kateb Kaho Mat Jhoothhay, Jhoothhaa Jo Na Bichaarey.
Jo Sabh Meh Ek Khudal Kahat Ho,To Kio Murghi Maarey. (pg. 1350)
Do
not call various religious texts false. False is one who gives no
thought to their contents. If you consider God is in all, then why you
slaughter the chicken (i.e., life?)
Rojaa Dharey, Manaavey Mlah, Svaadat Jee Sanghaarey.
Aapaa Dekh Avar Nahin Dekhey,Kaahey Kow Jhakh Maarey. (pg. 1375)
You
keep fasts (i.e., religious acts) to appease God. At the same time you
slay life for your relish. This utter selfishness is nothing but empty
or nonsensical talk.
Kabir Jee Jo Maareh Jor Kar,Kaahtey Heh Ju Halaal.
Daftar Daee Jab Kaadh Hal, Hoegaa Kaun Havaal (pg. 1375)
Whosoever
slays life by force and call it sanctified; What will be his fate when
he will be called to account for it in His Court?
Kabir Bhaang, Machhli Surapaan Jo Jo Praanee Khahey.
Tirath, Barat, Nem Kiaye Te Sabhay Rasaatal Jahey. (pg. 1376)
Whosoever eats flesh, fish, etc. and takes wine and hemp, all his religious acts will go to waste.
Kabir Khoob Khaana Khichri, Ja Meh Amrit Lon.
Heraa Rotee Kaamey Galaa Kataavey Kon. (pg. 1374)
Blessed is the simple food of rice mixed with salt; Who would risk his head to be slain hereafter, for the meat one eats here?
Also
in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib, after Siri Shaster naam mala, there are a
number of small couplets, like Khalsa Mahima (jagat jot jape...) and
also a small couplet on Rehat called Sikhi Rehat. In this the rehat has
been explained using islamic arabic/persian words. Guru has stated that
a sikh of the guru will not act in the fashion of Halal, e.g
circumscision, meat rituals, shaving of hair etc, or Haram. Haram being
eating meat that is not halal, therefore any other meat, and adultery.
Also wearing panj kaaf (5 k`s), not to trim ones hair, or dye the hair.
There
are many more quotes from various rehat-namey etc, but this will make
this very lengthy indeed. I hope this helps.Look into Gurbani, read it
all for yourself, instead of small tukhs from a lengthy shabad(s), and
make up your up own mind. The angs are given (page numbers, on some of
the quotes. Hope this helps. |
