Re: Re: Re: The `caste` system Food For Thought[1]
Meat classifed with good foods such as bread, not bad foods such as wine
The
body is the bottle, self-conceit is the wine, and desire is the company
of drinking companions. The glass of the mind?s longing is filled to
overflowing with falsehood; the Messenger of Death is the bartender.
Drinking in this wine, O Nanak, one takes on countless vices and
corruption. So make spiritual wisdom your molasses, and the Praise of
God your bread; let the Fear of God be the dish of meat. O Nanak, this
is the true food; let the True Name be your only Support.
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| Baba Mardana, Bihagara, pg. 553 |
In the society of the times meat was avoided by Hindus and certain
kinds by the Muslims. The Gurus tried to explain to these people that
it was not eating meat was not the real sin but:
Taking anothers right is the real thing to be avoided
"Nanak, another`s right is swine for him (the Musalman) and cow for him (the Hindu)."
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| (Guru Nanak, pg. 141) |
Falsehood is the real thing to avoid
"By
uttering falsehood, man eats meat, Yet, he goes to admonish others.
Such appears to be the leader, O` Nanak! who himself is beguiled and
beguiles his comrades."
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| (Guru Nanak, Slok, pg. 140) |
"Falsehood is my dagger and to eat by defrauding is meat."
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| (Guru Nanak, Sri Rag, pg. 24) |
Evil intellect, heartlesness, slander and wrath are the real things to avoid
?Evil-intellect
is the she drummer, heartlessness is the butcheress, other?s slander in
the heart is a sweepress and deceitful wrath is a pariah-woman?
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| (Guru Nanak, Slok, pg. 91) |
Avarice, falsehood, cheatings and slander are the real things to avoid
?Avarice
is a dog., falsehood the sweeper and cheating the eating of meat.
Slandering others solely amounts to puting other?s filth in ones own
mouth and fire of wrath is a pariah.?
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| (Guru Nanak, Sri Rag, pg.15) |
The Gurus clearly stated what are sins throughout the Guru Granth
Sahib, nowhere is eating meat mentioned as being one of these sins.
"Taking
halter, men go out at night to strangle others, but the Lord knows all,
O mortal. Concealed in places they look at other women. They break into
places, difficult to acceess and enjoy wine deeming it sweet. Over
their respective misdeeds, they shall themselves afterwards regret.
Azrail, the courier of death shall crush them like the mill full of
sesame."
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| (Guru Arjan Dev, Pauri, pg. 315) |
"Renounce
sexual pleasures, wrath, falsehood and calumny, forsake worldly
valuables and dispel pride. Put aside the lust for belles and leave
worldly love. Then shalt thou obtain the bright Lord amidst the dark
world. Eschew self-adoration, egotism and affection for thy sons and
wife. Shed thirst and desire for wealth and embrace love for the
omnipresent Lord. Nanak, he, in whose mind the True One abides, through
the True Gurbani gets absorbed in God`s Name."
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| (Guru Ram Das, pg. 141) |
"Abandon
lust, wrath, avarice and worldly love. Thus be rid of both birth and
death. Distress and darkness shall depart from thy home, when, within
thee, the Guru implants wisdom and lights the Divine lamp. He, who
serves the Lord crosses the sea of life. Through the Guru, O slave
Nanak, the entire world is saved."
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| (Guru Arjan Dev, Gauri, pg. 241) |
"In
the fire of desire, avarice, arrogance and excessive egotism the man is
burning. He repeatedly goes, comes and loses his honour. His life he
wastes away in vain. Rare is the person who understands Gurbani."
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| (Guru Amar Das, Majh, pg 120) |
The superstitions of the impurity of certain foods such as meat exposed and the real emphasis revealed:
"If the principle of impurity be admitted, then there is impurity everywhere.
In cow-dung and wood there are worms. As many as are the grains of corn, none is without life. In the first place there is life in water, by which, all are made green. How can impurity be warded off? It falls on our own kitchen. Nanak, impurity is not removed like this. It is washed away by Divine Knowledge. The mind`s impurity is avarice and the tongue`s impurity falsehood. The impurity of the eyes is to behold another`s woman, another`s wealth and beauty. The impurity of the ears is to hear the slander of others with ears, Nanak, mortal`s soul goes bout to the city of death. All impurity consists in doubt and attachment to duality. Birth and death are subject to Lord`s command and through His will mortal comes and goes. Eating and drinking are pure, for the Lord has given sustenance to all. Nanak, the Gurmukh who know the Lord, to them impurity sticks not."
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(Guru Nanak, Slok, pg. 472)
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"What
can be achieved by eating and what by dressing, so long as that True
Lord abides not in the man`s mind? What is fruit, what clarified butter
and sweet molasses, what fine flour and what meat? What is rainment and
what comfortable couch to enjoy sexual intercourse and revelments? Of
what use is an army and of what the mace-bearers, servants and coming
and dwelling in mansions? Nanak, without the True Name, the entire
paraphernalia is perishable."
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| (Guru Nanak, pg. 142) |
"The True food is the Lord`s love. So says the True Guru. With the True food I am appeased and with Truth I am delighted."
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| (Guru Angad, Pauri, pg. 146) |
"The
world-hardened men, who eat poison by repeatedly telling lies, the Lord
Himself has led astray. They know not the ultimate reality of
departure, and increase the poison of lust and wrath."
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| (Guru Amar Das, Pauri, pg. 145) |
"Without the Name all, which man wears and eats is poison. By praising the True Name one merges in the True Master."
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| (Guru Nanak, Pauri, pg.144) |
"By
reading and reciting men grow weary but they obtain not peace. By
desire they are consumed, and they have no knowledge of it. Poison they
purchase and for the love of poison they are thirsty. By telling lies
they eat poison."
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| (Guru Amrar Das, Majh, pg. 120) |
"I have tasted and seen all other relishes but to my mind the God`s dainty is the sweetest of all."
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| (Guru Arjan Dev, Majh, pg.100) |
"Do thou only that by which filth may not attach to thee, and this soul of thine may remain awake in singing God`s praises.
Meditate on the One Lord, and think not duality. In the guild of saints repeat only the Name. Rituals, duty, religious rites, fasting and worship are all covered recognising none else in sans the Supreme Lord. Of him the toil is approved, whose affection is with his own Master. Infinitely invaluable is that vegetarian (Vishnavite), says Nanak; who renounced sins."
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| ( Guru Arjan Dev, Gauri, pg. 199) |
"Let
somone sing, someone hear, someone reflect on, someone preach the Name
of God and somone fix it in his mind, he shall forthwith be saved. His
sins shall be effaced, he shall become pure and his filth of many
births shall be washed off. In this world and the next world, his
countenance shall be bright, and mammon shall not affect him. He is the
man of wisdom, he the vegetarian, he the divine and the man of wealth;
He is the hero, and he is of high family, who has meditated on the
Fortunate Lord."
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| ( Guru Arjan Dev, Pauri, pg. 300) |
"Self-conceit
and wealth are all poison. Attached therewith, man ever suffers loss in
this world. By pondering on the Name, the Guru-ward earns the profit of
God`s wealth. By placing God and God`s elixir in the mind, the poison
of the filth of ego is removed."
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| ( Guru Ram Das, Slok, pg. 300) |
"The
attachment of all the visible objects is all impurity. Due to this, the
mortal dies and is reborn again and again. Impurity is in fire, air and
water. Within all the food, which we eat, there is pollution.
Defilement is in mans actions as he performs not God`s worship."
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| ( Guru Amar Das, Gauri Guareri, pg. 229) |
"Without the Name all, which man wears and eats is poison. By praising the True Name one merges in the True Master."
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| ( Guru Nanak, Pauri, pg.144) |
"The True food is the Lord`s love. So says the True Guru. With the True food I am appeased and with Truth I am delighted."
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| ( Guru Angad, Pauri, pg. 146) |
The vegetable feels pain just as the animal does, there is no difference.
"See,
that the sugarcane is sheared. After cleansing and chopping off its
plumes, its feet are bound to form it into bundles. Placing it in
between the wooden rollers of the press, they crush and award it
punishment. Extracting the juice, they put it in the cauldron and it
groans as it burns. Even the empty crushed cane is collected and is
burnt in the fire. Nanak, how the sweet-leaved sugar-cane is treated,
come and see, O? people!"
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| ( Guru Nanak, Slok, pg. 143) |
Glorious God is compared not only to the fish and the net but also to a fisherman - a killer of fish for food.
"He
Himself is the fisherman and the fish and Himself the water and the
net. He Himself is the metal ball of the net and Himself the bait
within."
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| ( Guru Nanak, Sri Rag, pg. 23) |
There is no difference between plants and animals. God in his
perfection has designed all living things to eat what they eat. We eat
meat as part of the natural order of all living things designed by God.
Man has been eating meat and vegetables for millions of years, God has
not designed meat eating human beings in error. The only things banned
for Sikhs are all unnatural manipulations of natural foods - tobacco,
drugs, alcohol all unnatural manipulations of vegetation, and all
banned for Sikhs.
"When
Thou art true, then all, that flows from Thee is true. Absolutely
nothing is false. Talking, seeing, uttering, living, walking and
perishing are from Thee, O` Lord! Nanak, the True Lord Himself creates
by His order, and in His order He keeps all the beings."
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| (Guru Nanak, Slok, pg. 145) |
"The
tigers, hawks, kites and falcons, them the Lord causes to eat grass.
Who eats grass, them He causes to eat meat. This way of life He can set
agoing."
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| (Guru Nanak, Slok, pg. 144) |
"God
Himself has made the earth and Himself the sky. He of Himself created
the beings therein, and of Himself puts morsels (food) in their mouths.
All by Himself He pervades everywhere and Himself is the treasure of
excellences. Remember Thou God`s Name, O slave Nanak, and He shall
efface all thine sins."
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| (Guru Ram Das, Slok, pg. 302) |
"They
walk in a single file, brush the ground before they lay their foot on
it all this they do to avoid killing life, but it is God who giveth and
taketh life."
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| (Guru Gobind Singh, 33 Swayyas, Dasam Granth) |
"There
is but one breath, all are identical in matter and among all the entire
light is the same. The One Light is contained among all the different
and diverse things."
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| (Guru Ram Das, Majh, pg. 96) |
"Many
millions of beings, the Lord has made of good many descriptions. From
the Lord they emanated and into the Lord shall they be absorbed."
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| (Guru Arjan Dev, Ashtpadi, pg. 276) |
"In
forests, grass blades and mountains, the Supreme Lord is contained. As
is His will so are His creatures acts. The Lord is in wind, water and
fire. He is permeating the four quarters and ten directions. There is
no place without Him."
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| (Guru Arjan Dev, Ashtpadi, pg. 294) |
Amongst all the forms, the Lord Himself is contained.
Through all the eyes, He Himself is the beholder. The whole creation is His Body. His praises He Himself hears. He has made coming and going as a play. He has rendered mammon subservient to Him. Though amidst everything He remains unattached. Whatever is to be said, He Himself says. By His order man comes and by His order he goes. Nanak, when it pleases Him, He blends the mortal with Himself, than. Whatever comes from Him, that cannot be bad. .....All that He does must be accepted. Through Guru`s grace, Nanak has come to know this.
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(Guru Arjan Dev, Ashtpadi, pg. 294)
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"I
have heard the One Lord to be the treasure of imperishable peace. God
is said to be fully filling the ocean, dry land, sky and every heart.
He looks equally adorned amongst all the high and low, an ant and an
elephant. The friends, comrades, sons and relatives are all created by
Him."
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| (Guru Arjan Dev, Slok, pg. 319) |
"His plays, He Himself enacts. Coming and going, visible and invisible and the entire world, He has made obedient to Himself."
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| (Guru Arjan Dev, Ashtpadi, pg. 281) |
Meat prepared by the Muslim ritual slaughter is banned for Sikhs
"Yet
holding the knife, the world they butcher. Wearing blue the rulers
approval they seek; With money derived from mlechhas the Puranas they
worship. Goats slaughtered over the unapproved Muslims texts they eat."
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| (Guru Nanak, Raga Asa, pg. 472) |
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