Hi Summy, I take these are your questions you are talking about? I have taken these from the random babble you posted above:
| If you respect the soul not the body, why consume a soul, why dishonour it with meat eating. What separates you eating a baby and you eating a chicken? |
Respect what soul? Be more precise. You cannot consume a soul, only the outer shell. The outer shell is irrelevant bar the human one.
Let us go to Bani and see what it sayd about human life compared to animal, vegetable mineral:
and what does Bani say about Human life:
On page 50 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji it states:
sireeraag mehlaa 5 ghar 2.
Siree Raag, Fifth Mehl, Second House:
go-il aa-i-aa go-ilee ki-aa tis damf pasaar.
The herdsman comes to the pasture lands-what good are his ostentatious displays here?
muhlat punnee chalnaa tooN sampal ghar baar. ||1||
When your allotted time is up, you must go. Take care of your real hearth and home. ||1||
har gun gaa-o manaa satgur sayv pi-aar.
O mind, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, and serve the True Guru with love.
ki-aa thorh-rhee baat gumaan. ||1|| rahaa-o.
Why do you take pride in trivial matters? ||1||Pause||
jaisay rain paraahunay uth chalsahi parbhaat.
Like an overnight guest, you shall arise and depart in the morning.
ki-aa tooN rataa girsat si-o sabh fulaa kee baagaat. ||2||
Why are you so attached to your household? It is all like flowers in the garden. ||2||
mayree mayree ki-aa karahi jin dee-aa so parabh lorh.
Why do you say, "Mine, mine?" Look to God, who has given it to you.
sarpar uthee chalnaa chhad jaasee lakh karorh. ||3||
It is certain that you must arise and depart, and leave behind your hundreds of thousands and millions. ||3||
lakh cha-oraaseeh bharmati-aa dulabh janam paa-i-o-ay.
Through 8.4 million incarnations you have wandered, to obtain this rare and precious human life.
naanak naam samaal tooN so din nayrhaa aa-i-o-ay. ||4||22||92||
O Nanak, remember the Naam, the Name of the Lord; the day of departure is drawing near! ||4||22||92||
Only human life is seen as precious compared to animal, vegetable or mineral. That is why you would not eat a baby.
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your not making sense anymore. First you jusitifed not eating meat with the guru granth sahib ji then now, you say the REHAT maryada says that we can eat meat? |
This is why you fail Summy.
If you read my writing it clearly states, Sikhi neither promotes nor denigrates meat eating. It neither promotes nor denigrates vegetarians.
Guru Nanak is very clear on this issue:
Page 1289 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
mehlaa 1.
First Mehl:
maas maas kar moorakh jhagrhay gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee jaanai.
The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom.
ka-un maas ka-un saag kahaavai kis meh paap samaanay.
What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin?
gaiNdaa maar hom jag kee-ay dayviti-aa kee baanay.
It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering.
maas chhod bais nak pakrheh raatee maanas khaanay.
Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night.
farh kar lokaaN no dikhlaavahi gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee soojhai.
They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom.
naanak anDhay si-o ki-aa kahee-ai kahai na kahi-aa boojhai.
O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said.
anDhaa so-ay je anDh kamaavai tis ridai se lochan naahee.
They alone are blind, who act blindly. They have no eyes in their hearts.
maat pitaa kee rakat nipannay machhee maas na khaaNhee.
They are produced from the blood of their mothers and fathers, but they do not eat fish or meat.
Meat eating and Vegetarianism is an individual choice.
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Exactly what is hindu vashno about what I am saying? The whole respect atma part? |
So whicj Atma are you respecting? The Atma that is being crushed according to Bani here:
Page 143 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
mehlaa 1.
First Mehl:
vaykh je mithaa kati-aa kat kut baDhaa paa-ay.
Look, and see how the sugar-cane is cut down. After cutting away its branches, its feet are bound together into bundles,
khundhaa andar rakh kai dayn so mal sajaa-ay.
and then, it is placed between the wooden rollers and crushed.
ras kas tatar paa-ee-ai tapai tai villaa-ay.
What punishment is inflicted upon it! Its juice is extracted and placed in the cauldron; as it is heated, it groans and cries out.
bhee so fog samaalee-ai dichai ag jaalaa-ay.
And then, the crushed cane is collected and burnt in the fire below.
naanak mithai patree-ai vaykhhu lokaa aa-ay. ||2||
Nanak: come, people, and see how the sweet sugar-cane is treated! ||2||
The Atma in a rock? or the Atma in an animal? or do you worship them all?
For a Jain the Plant Atma is sacred, and will only eat that plant which has not been plucked cut or severed, since they belive plants are living things. The example of red kidney beens and white kidney beans was given to me by a Jain friend. He said to "You realise you drown the seed to eat it"....I said " no we don`t we tenderise it". He then explain how we soaked these beans to kill toxins it releases to prevent being eaten. What a profoun thought don`t you think? That a bean should release a toxin not to be eaten?
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Lets say plants have an atma, lets say animals have an atma, and rocks. Any other justifications for obsecurity that you give. Shouldnt you not eat those as well? Would you like a granthi to explain to you what has an atma or not? |
The soul according to Sikhi transmigrates randomly from plant, mineral, animal etc etc, till it takes human form:
On page 176 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, the following is written:
ga-orhee gu-aarayree mehlaa 5.
Gauree Gwaarayree, Fifth Mehl:
ka-ee janam bha-ay keet patangaa.
In so many incarnations, you were a worm and an insect;
ka-ee janam gaj meen kurangaa.
in so many incarnations, you were an elephant, a fish and a deer.
ka-ee janam pankhee sarap ho-i-o.
In so many incarnations, you were a bird and a snake.
ka-ee janam haivar barikh jo-i-o. ||1||
In so many incarnations, you were yoked as an ox and a horse. ||1||
mil jagdees milan kee baree-aa.
Meet the Lord of the Universe - now is the time to meet Him.
chirankaal ih dayh sanjaree-aa. ||1|| rahaa-o.
After so very long, this human body was fashioned for you. ||1||Pause||
ka-ee janam sail gir kari-aa.
In so many incarnations, you were rocks and mountains;
ka-ee janam garabh hir khari-aa.
in so many incarnations, you were aborted in the womb;
ka-ee janam saakh kar upaa-i-aa.
in so many incarnations, you developed branches and leaves;
lakh cha-oraaseeh jon bharmaa-i-aa. ||2||
you wandered through 8.4 million incarnations. ||2||
saaDhsang bha-i-o janam paraapat.
Through the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, you obtained this human life.
kar sayvaa bhaj har har gurmat.
Do seva - selfless service; follow the Guru`s Teachings, and vibrate the Lord`s Name, Har, Har.
ti-aag maan jhooth abhimaan.
Abandon pride, falsehood and arrogance.
jeevat mareh dargeh parvaan. ||3||
Remain dead while yet alive, and you shall be welcomed in the Court of the Lord. ||3||
jo kichh ho-aa so tujh tay hog.
Whatever has been, and whatever shall be, comes from You, Lord.
avar na doojaa karnai jog.
No one else can do anything at all.
taa milee-ai jaa laihi milaa-ay.
We are united with You, when You unite us with Yourself.
kaho naanak har har gun gaa-ay. ||4||3||72||
Says Nanak, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, Har, Har. ||4||3||72||
Should we not eat plants? well that is YOUR decision, and that is precisely the point of SIKHI. It is YOU decision. A Jain would see you as barbaric for cutting plants up, drowning beans etc, but YOU have made the decison to eat them.
Precisely the same thought process applies to an animal.
