Ravinder,

You started the personal attacks. Look AT EVERY SINGLE POSTING I make, and I get insulted first. I make a conscience effort not to insult people first. I laugh when others complain, because I have yet to find one person that can step up to me, and face me in an intellectual conversation. Stick to what your useful at, justifying the killing and slaughtering of other souls, and justify that action by saying "Gurus said nothing bad about it" and continue to refuse to use logic and wrap your mind around the issue. Just as long as you and Allah are at peace with your habits, thats all you need to care about. It`s funny how you try to call me a hindu, as if Im ging to get offended, and use it as a insult. Then try to proclaim morality and say, and teach other people about what we should/should not do. Address your own elisitic and racist points of view before you try to be some moral authority.

 PS- Fag is a negative term, and is extremely derogitory and disrespectful.

Heer,

I never said I was anti-homosexual. I dont judge you, and I expect you not to judge me. I dont care what your sexual preference is, its no skin off of my back. But I will say this again, if your going to tackle to issue of homophobia within the gay community, then do it with intellectualism and logic and not idealism. I am with you with the fact that we are elitist in the sense that Sikhs we look down at Chamar`s and other castes in Sikhism, but thats the reality- we are not supposed to have castes, but people are kidding themselves if they think we dont. I feel that you are doing this a some sort of ideological exploration, and not using Sikhi and logic to get your means.

Nobody is telling you to give up your religion, but be ready to comprise it. IE- Wedding

Firstly, Im not going to give personal advice, but if your trying to seek acceptance from us, the sikh community, I think you need to get acceptance from your family first. You are being EXTREMELY hypocritical when you say, "you want to make a point ot other gay sikhs, that you can stand up and fight"--- when YOU, YOURSELF hasnt even completed your fight, and you are living somewhat of a lie. Dont you think, before your crusade begins to change others, you need to make sure your journey is done first? How do you plan to inspire other gay sikhs to stand up, if you have yet to do that?

I want to know how your going to address homosexuality in Sikhism. What are your plans, you seem to be idealistic, but have no real concrete plans to do so.... I can preach idealistically what is right, but unless you have an actual plan or are in the steps of making people aware of your rights as a gay sikh, then how can people take you seriously?

It also seems like your being hypocritical when you say, sikhs believe in whats convienent and "forget everything else" when by judging my your picture, and your own statements, you do not follow Sikhism closely.

Summinder Singh Dhaliwal